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Dear Technical and Science Instruments Subcommittee (TSIS) members,
The purpose of this email is to provide an agenda and background materials for our 1st meeting today (11 am HST / 1 pm PST; 877-280-4645 passcode 045662).
Suggested Agenda:
0. Review & agree on agenda. (5 min)
1. TSIS membership, role & schedule (10 min)
2. Observatory proposal plans (5 min)
3. Potential science case support tasks (30 min)
4. Agree on action items (including next meeting(s)) (10 min)
Thanks and aloha,
Peter
Background Materials to help with discussion:
1. TSIS membership, role & schedule
- Membership: Antonin Bouchez, Rich Dekany, Ralf Flicker, Don Gavel, David Le Mignant, Keith Matthews, Chris Neyman, Peter Wizinowich. James Larkin has declined.
- Role:Support the science groups in defining the science case.
- We should look at the science groups role in order to understand our support role and to anticipate their needs.
- Science subgroups asked to do the following:
- For each of the key topics, establish what the most compelling science case would be for the KPAO "core" narrow-field system, using computer simulations of KPAO performance together with quantitative analysis of issues such as required photometric accuracy, required Strehl ratios, and the effects of temporal and spatial variability of the PSF, surface density of objects on the sky, and number of potential targets.
- For each of the key topics, examine the astronomical issues associated with potential extended missions: implementation of wider fields of view (up to a few arc minutes), and enhanced performance at visible wavelengths. Compare the ability for the wider-field IR extension and the narrow-field visible-light extension to address each of the key topics for the subgroups. For the visible-light extension in particular, quantify the science return as a function of observing wavelength and Strehl.
- Identify the most appropriate new science instruments, or modifications to existing instruments, to go behind the AO system for each of the key science topics.
- Consider the larger context of planned space- and ground-based capabilities.
- Coordinate with the KPAO technical working group to identify key instrumental issues and simulation needs.
- Present conclusions in a written report, including two to four pages of text on each key science case, as well as an introduction and summary. This should be a document suitable for an independent science review, for example by the Keck Science Steering Committee or an NSF Review Panel.
- Schedule:
- Jan-Feb goals: Subcommittees start work & identify science cases to pursue & questions that need to be answered by both the science & technical teams.
- 1/27/06, each science team submits a set of technical questions to the technical team via Wizinowich. Technical team to respond within 1 month.
- 3/30/06, meeting of science & technical teams.
- 4/30/06, draft science case document to AOWG for review
2. Observatory Proposal Plans
- The Observatory is planning to produce a next generation AO technical and management proposal, to be combined with the AOWG science case proposal, which will be reviewed by the SSC at their June 21 meeting. In this proposal the System Design Review (SDR) phase will be fully planned out and the entire project will be presented at a less detailed level. Caltech has offered $40k of personnel effort to support this proposal.
- This is a separate task from the AOWG requested role for the TSIS. However, we should keep this proposal goal in mind.
3. Potential Science Case Support Tasks (for each of these we should think about how the science teams would use them):
- Summaries:
- Performance.
- NGAO architecture options.
- Science instrument options/possibilities.
- Likely capabilities of competing systems.
- Detailed analysis/results:
- PSF (on-axis, off-axis, versus guide star magnitude and off-axis distance, versus wavelength, …)
- PSF stability.
- Simulated science fields.
- SNR versus time for different science objects (point source, extended sharp-edged object, extended diffuse object).
- Photometric precision.
- Astrometric precision.
- The attached document provides a brief summary of the performance requirements we originally defined for KPAO:
<<KPAO perf req summary.doc>>
- Rich has some interesting ideas on architecture options & other of the above items. See his attached email:
<<RE: Next Gen (NG) Keck AO science case (KAOSC) - Technical and Science Instrument Subcommittee (TSIS)>>
- Chris has provided the attached document describing his thoughts on the existing next generation AO modeling capabilities at Keck and how they might be applied to the above items.
<<ModelingNGAOSystems.doc>>
- Likely capabilities of competing systems. I have started the attached draft table.
<<The Competition for Next Generation Keck AO.doc>>
4. Action items
- Next meeting(s) proposal: Telecon every two weeks on Tuesday at am 9 am HST / 11 am PST. Next telecon on Tuesday, Jan. 31.
- Action items due (if not explicitly stated) by start of business on the Monday of a telecon week.
- Wizinowich to collate and distribute the science team technical questions (due on 1/27) by cob on Mon., 1/30.
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The purpose of this email is to provide an agenda and background materials for our 1st meeting today (11 am HST / 1 pm PST; 877-280-4645 passcode 045662).
Suggested Agenda:
0. Review & agree on agenda. (5 min)
1. TSIS membership, role & schedule (10 min)
2. Observatory proposal plans (5 min)
3. Potential science case support tasks (30 min)
4. Agree on action items (including next meeting(s)) (10 min)
Thanks and aloha,
Peter
Background Materials to help with discussion:
1. TSIS membership, role & schedule
* Membership: Antonin Bouchez, Rich Dekany, Ralf Flicker, Don Gavel, David Le Mignant, Keith Matthews, Chris Neyman, Peter Wizinowich. James Larkin has declined.
* Role:Support the science groups in defining the science case.
* We should look at the science groups role in order to understand our support role and to anticipate their needs.
* Science subgroups asked to do the following:
* For each of the key topics, establish what the most compelling science case would be for the KPAO "core" narrow-field system, using computer simulations of KPAO performance together with quantitative analysis of issues such as required photometric accuracy, required Strehl ratios, and the effects of temporal and spatial variability of the PSF, surface density of objects on the sky, and number of potential targets.
* For each of the key topics, examine the astronomical issues associated with potential extended missions: implementation of wider fields of view (up to a few arc minutes), and enhanced performance at visible wavelengths. Compare the ability for the wider-field IR extension and the narrow-field visible-light extension to address each of the key topics for the subgroups. For the visible-light extension in particular, quantify the science return as a function of observing wavelength and Strehl.
* Identify the most appropriate new science instruments, or modifications to existing instruments, to go behind the AO system for each of the key science topics.
* Consider the larger context of planned space- and ground-based capabilities.
* Coordinate with the KPAO technical working group to identify key instrumental issues and simulation needs.
* Present conclusions in a written report, including two to four pages of text on each key science case, as well as an introduction and summary. This should be a document suitable for an independent science review, for example by the Keck Science Steering Committee or an NSF Review Panel.
* Schedule:
* Jan-Feb goals: Subcommittees start work & identify science cases to pursue & questions that need to be answered by both the science & technical teams.
* 1/27/06, each science team submits a set of technical questions to the technical team via Wizinowich. Technical team to respond within 1 month.
* 3/30/06, meeting of science & technical teams.
* 4/30/06, draft science case document to AOWG for review
2. Observatory Proposal Plans
* The Observatory is planning to produce a next generation AO technical and management proposal, to be combined with the AOWG science case proposal, which will be reviewed by the SSC at their June 21 meeting. In this proposal the System Design Review (SDR) phase will be fully planned out and the entire project will be presented at a less detailed level. Caltech has offered $40k of personnel effort to support this proposal.
* This is a separate task from the AOWG requested role for the TSIS. However, we should keep this proposal goal in mind.
3. Potential Science Case Support Tasks (for each of these we should think about how the science teams would use them):
* Summaries:
* Performance.
* NGAO architecture options.
* Science instrument options/possibilities.
* Likely capabilities of competing systems.
* Detailed analysis/results:
* PSF (on-axis, off-axis, versus guide star magnitude and off-axis distance, versus wavelength, )
* PSF stability.
* Simulated science fields.
* SNR versus time for different science objects (point source, extended sharp-edged object, extended diffuse object).
* Photometric precision.
* Astrometric precision.
* The attached document provides a brief summary of the performance requirements we originally defined for KPAO:
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* Rich has some interesting ideas on architecture options & other of the above items. See his attached email:
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* Chris has provided the attached document describing his thoughts on the existing next generation AO modeling capabilities at Keck and how they might be applied to the above items.
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* Likely capabilities of competing systems. I have started the attached draft table.
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* KPAO technical web page at http://www2.keck.hawaii.edu/optics/kpao/kpao.php
4. Action items
* Next meeting(s) proposal: Telecon every two weeks on Tuesday at am 9 am HST / 11 am PST. Next telecon on Tuesday, Jan. 31.
* Action items due (if not explicitly stated) by start of business on the Monday of a telecon week.
* Wizinowich to collate and distribute the science team technical questions (due on 1/27) by cob on Mon., 1/30.
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I have four tools that we are currently using at Keck:
YAO: a full Monte Carlo simulation of narrow field adaptive optics includes physical optics wavefront sensor model (partially illuminated subapertures, centroids calculated from Hartmann images). Some advanced reconstructors, not as complete as Brents codes see LAOS. Also included Keck pupil, Keck static segments errors, and vibrations.
LAOS: a model from TMT project office, models NFAO, MOAO, GLAO. It includes only idealized model of Hartmann sensor and actuators. Noise model is idealized. Can include some effects of primary aberrations and laser elongation, more effects being added by Luc Gilles and Brent Ellerbroek for TMT, physical optics model of Hartmann sensor by Feb/March. Modeling of loop dynamics and reconstructor very advanced.
Sky coverage tool from TMT. Estimates tracking error as a function of field of view, star model, outerscale, etc.
Spread sheets to calculated exposure time, SNR. These need to be finalized. They assume a perfect PSF and high Strehl. I have given this lower priority assuming that astronomers have better tools, which could be a bad assumption.
Neither YAO nor LAOS support layer oriented AO, and neither supports pyramid sensors. YAO has some ability to use curvature sensors but not with multiple guide stars. At present I didnt see these missing architectures as important to the June proposal.
NGAO architecture options:
NFAO (KPAO)
YAO: high fidelity ~ +/- 30nm in rms wavefront error
LAOS: medium fidelity ~+/- 40 nm in rms wavefront error. +/- 40nm terms not included in model (vibration, segment error, physical optics wavefront sensing)
MCAO
YAO: medium fidelity~ +/- 40nm in rms wavefront error
LAOS: medium fidelity~ +/- 40 nm in rms wavefront error. +/- 40nm terms not included in model
MOAO
YAO: doesnt have this capability at present.
LAOS: medium fidelity~ +/- 50 nm in rms wavefront error. +/- 40nm terms not included in model. LAOS does not include temporal effect for MOAO, it only infinite bandwidth correction.
Matt Britton and Don Gavel are both doing modeling for TMT IRMOS, will probably use them to sanity check results from LAOS.
GLAO
YAO: low fidelity ~ +/- 50nm in rms wavefront error (GLAO error is very large typically 500-100 nm rms). The YAO GLAO reconstructor is just a simple averaging of LGS signals. Everybody thinks that more advanced estimators can work better.
LAOS: Havent looked at LAOS models of GLAO in detail but its included in options for the simulation
Adaptive secondary
Neither YAO nor LAOS have the ability to model AO secondary influence functions and the complex control of the actuators. They can both model a conventional dm placed at the optical conjugate of an AO secondary. I have understood that this type of specialized modeling would be done by Microgate or perhaps someone at U. of Arizona.
Extreme AO
We can add lots of actuators to KPAO and LAOS, better to leverage work by Bruce Macintosh for ExAO.
Science case support tasks:
Performance:
See comments on architectures, both LOAS and YAO can produce wavefront errors, PSF, FWHM over a wide field of regard. It is only a matter of computation time.
Science Instrument options/possibilities:
??? Dont know exactly what would be needed here. I can certainly provide PSFs as function of wavelength. Some connection to exposure calculator tool is missing.
Likely capabilities of competing systems:
See above: I think we could model anybody elses AO system. Exposure calculator tools could be used to estimate performance of space missions, example JWST, SIRTIF.
PSF (on-axis, off axis PSF, versus guide magnitude):
Possible, see comments under performance. Just takes lots of compute time to average out simulation noise in PSF halo
Simulated science fields:
I have assumed that we just have to provide PSF libraries. This could be a very involved activity if we have to produce lots of PSFs, for lots of types of AO systems, and also produce the final science images, or spectra.
SNR verses time for different science objects:
See comments above SNR spreadsheets
Photometric precision:
See PSF above, we have to average out the simulation noise in the PSF halos. YAO has methods for speeding up this process. LAOS would require lots of simulation runs and then averaging of the resulting PSFs.
Astrometric precision:
Im not sure whats needed to simulate the distortions across a detector correctly. I believe that the dominant effect is tracking jitter plus focus, and astigmatism correction as such its going to be highly dependent on NGS distribution and magnitude in an individual field.
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I'll be glad to participate in TSIS. 1/17/06 at 1PST works fine for me. (1/18 is all-day MOSFIRE, 1/19-20 are free except 1/19 10-Noon PST.)
I think there are a few documents that would aid the NGAO science case teams early in their (our) deliberations and analyses of science cases. These are in the spirit of delineating the boundary conditions for NGAO:
#1) A summary of NGAO architecture options along the lines of the charts of mine that we reviewed at Lake Arrowhead. As a basic review, I think the largest architecture options for an NGAO platform are:
a) AM2 only
b) A moderate FoR AO relay (between 2 and 8 arcmin)
c) MEMS-only AO instruments with large FoR, but narrow FoV per channel
d) Combinations thereof
Each of these paths has a technological maturity curve that, if fully realized, would provide wide-spread improvements to existing science and entry into new regions of discovery space (e.g. visible AO). Within each architecture, however, there are different potential observing mode choices and constraints (e.g. a MEMS-only approach precludes GLAO).
Much of our technical discussion will likely surround the risk/cost aspects of these various architecture/mode options. I propose that risk mitigation is an important element for successful NGAO fundraising. (Patrons would presumably like to know their support will produce new science with certainty, and not just fund technology development.) Still, within such a constraint, there is much room for knowledgable discussions.
I'm willing to draft such a document (with a goal of, say, January 18 delivery to the KAOWG teams).
#2) I think a separate document that summarized the potential performance of a feasible precision NGAO (e.g. KPAO), including a notional on-axis error budget, would also be helpful to provide some grounding. Note, the error budget is in many ways independent of the architecture issues mentioned above. Instead, it describes actuator count, laser power, tomography error, etc. Terms relating to open vs. closed loop control, stroke limits, WFS background noise, etc., which are affected by specific architecture/instrument combinations, are all relatively minor changes to a basic 'well-corrected' on-axis wavefront error budget.
Some of this is already in Chris' July 05 notes to the AOWG, KAON 341, and elsewhere, so I'd seek Chris' advice on the extent to which document #2 might be redundant. It might additionally provide simple charts like Strehl vs. wavefront error and other basic reference material for the science teams in one place. (Although it might be a place to write up other excellent technical progress regarding correction of segement aberrations, my suspicion is that these are better put into a separate KAON).
I suggest Chris could draft such a report based largely on KPAO team prior progress (same 1/18 goal?).
Most of the interesting (and difficult) analyses for NGAO are, in my opinion, related to practical matters that drvie off-axis performance and sky coverage. These questions will consume a lot of the System Design phase, so I think their too ambitious to delve into for this initial tech note. For now, I think we'd like the science teams to be thinking in terms of the programs they'd execute (e.g. "we need to measure at least 50 of 100 known targets spread uniformly in galactic latitude and longitude", or "can be done in any 20 fields outside the galactic plane (b>30)").
#3) Somewhat related to this, Matt Britton has been making progress in better understanding the limits to photometric and astrometric precision under conditions of single conjugate correction with space-variable PSF exploiting Cn2(h) data from external monitors. These questions will likely arise in the KAOWG deliberations, and I think Matt is planning on having a preprint ready by early February. This may be another 'interim' document flowing (indirectly) from TSIS to KAOSC.
#4) Regarding brainstorming for new instrument ideas at _this_ point, I'm a bit ambivalent. We've considered red-channel extensions to our IR MOAO concept for TMT (which I think are equally applicable to a NGAO MOAO MOS), as well as a simple large-format uvbvri + narrow filter DL imager for PALM-3000. I suspect we need the science teams to recommend the capabilities needed (FoV, FoR, sampling, spectral R, multiplex, transmission, and background) for the key science cases, from which TSIS (and/or others) could distill a small set of upgrades and entirely new instruments to most cost-effectively exploit NGAO.
Franck, Mike, and Claire may have comments on this and/or additional near-term requests from TSIS. In the spirit of managing communications, I'll leave it to the TSIS Chair (you or Chris?) to forward these, and perhaps other thoughts, to these colleagues to reach concurrence in how TSIS can best support KAOSC efforts.
Regards,
Rich
P.S. One related idea I've come to, based on both Chris' and our PALM-3000 work, is that our initial KPAO _total_ error targets of 120 and 180nm error budgets are probably not set right. I've come to think 180 is insufficient science improvement and 120 is likely to be too expensive (it drives the on-axis budget to something like 90nm). Personally, I think 140nm is a good place for precision NGAO to be, technically, including off-axis terms. The proposed document #2 might be a chance to capture a more detailed error budget, revised to a 140nm level (which may correspond to about 120nm budget on-axis).
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Wizinowich [mailto:peterw@keck.hawaii.edu]
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 6:50 PM
To: Antonin Bouchez; Rich Dekany; James Larkin; gavel@ucolick.org; Ralf Flicker; David Le Mignant; kym@tacos.submm.caltech.edu; Chris Neyman
Cc: Peter Wizinowich
Subject: Next Gen (NG) Keck AO science case (KAOSC) - Technical and Science Instrument Subcommittee (TSIS)
Dear NG KAOSC TSIS members,
Thank you for agreeing to participate in the development of the next gen Keck AO science case through participation on the technical and science instrument subcommittee. The purpose of this email is to get us started by proposing a first meeting time and by providing some background thoughts. I would also like to confirm that you have indeed agreed to participate.
Proposed 1st meeting time: Sometime early the week after the AAS meeting. As a starting point I'll propose Tuesday, Jan. 17 at 11 am HST / 1 pm PST. Since someone will have a conflict, please let me know your availability for this week so I can come up with a better time as needed.
The role of our group as I understand it is to support the science groups in defining the science case. Some questions:
* What can we do in the near term to support the science groups? This might include distilling our technical thoughts into a short document for the science groups. It could include starting on some items we are pretty sure that the science groups will be asking for. Perhaps there are some documents you are aware of (TMT?) that we should add to the Next Gen Science Case web site?
* Are there any other roles, besides the science case support role, that we would like to play? For example, the science instruments haven't been thought through at all yet; perhaps we might propose a few instrument options and their high level requirements as a starting point?
Can you also please confirm your participation on this group? I have had confirmations from Flicker, Gavel and Neyman.
I'm looking forward to working with you on this topic.
Thanks and aloha,
Peter
P.S. Here is a reminder of the near-term timeline.
Jan-Feb Goal: Subcommittees start work & identify science cases to pursue & questions that need to be answered by both science & technical teams.
* Early Jan: First telecons for each individual science sub-group. Bi-weekly telecons thereafter?
* By 1/27/06, each science team submits a set of technical questions to the technical team via Wizinowich. Technical team to respond within 1 month.
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From: "Richard Dekany"
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Cc: "Chris Neyman" ,
"Ralf Flicker" ,
"David Le Mignant" ,
"Keith Matthews" , "Don Gavel" ,
"James Larkin" ,
"Antonin Bouchez"
Subject: RE: Next Gen (NG) Keck AO science case (KAOSC) - Technical and Science Instrument Subcommittee (TSIS)
Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 12:46:14 -0800
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